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April 26, 2011

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Zod21

That's a lineup. Don't know where they'll park or camp or stay, but $215 three-day tickets make Kanrocksas' $179 two-day tickets look a little steep.

Chris

I'd take the Black Keys and the Flaming Lips over any of the Lolla bands not coming here. Can we at least see how this all plays out until we declare it the worst thing in the history of the world.

BA

I dont think there is camping available, but packages including hotels are running about $1200 per person. On a side note I would love to see that tent which holds 15,000, wow, that is a lot of tarp.

Zod21

I think you're reading something that's not here, Chris. It's certainly not "the worst thing in the history of the world." It's a good thing. Now, is it perfect? No. It will be August and there is no shade at the Speedway. None. And camping is miserable enough without it being hot as hell. The incomplete lineup feels like it's half a festival at the moment -- at the moment -- but I think Eminem is a good get. Nonetheless, the festival runners need to know criticisms before the festival happens.

But I think we can all agree that Kanrocksas is a shit name.

pellboy

Wow, confirmed lineup looks pretty strong. Going to be in Chicago that weekend so depending on the lineup Sat.night and the price of single days ($85?), I might be there.

Chris

Ha, no arguement on the name. It's terrible. Zod21, my comment was not really directed at you but and the amount of negative comments I've read since this was announced yesterday. You're right, it's not perfect. Price might be a little high but at least this could be a really cool yearly event in KC. I hope it gets enough support.

tim finn

it's hot at the speedway when there are races, too. i was at an IRL race in early july 2006. 90-degrees plus. But 82K showed up and stayed all day. people go to royals games when it's oppressively hot, too.

John Cena

Chicago lineup looks far better to me. Much more for the price as well. If it's a typical August day, the Speedway track will be 120 degrees! Walking from the camp site/parking areas to the stage area is not fun. I learned that fact at Nascar event with scorching temps. Better have lots of EMT's on site. Not too mention the KS police will have a field day with fines/dui checkpoints etc. I guess it's cool that KS/KC is doing this but it feels very unoriginal/uninspired. At least Rockfest is more accessible. (also uninspired lately) This should have been called it Lollapalooza Light or Lolly Jr. I'd like to be excited but I'll pass vs pass out.

BA

OT,
RIP Phoebe Snow

Vince

The Lolla under card blows away Kanrocksas. Also, the FLips and Black Keys were here last year at Sandstone and the Crossroads, respectively. Lolla's headliners blow besides MMJ, but DFA1979 and some others will make it pretty exclusive for the midwest.

Zod21

Just generally speaking, Tim, the diff between a Royals game or a Race and this festival is people spend four/eight hours at a sporting event and then they go home.

People will be camping in the heat with no food and water to speak of (guess that's what the assembled muckity mucks meant by each person spending $180 a day while they're there -- five $18 bottles of water a day).

I mean, the conditions won't rise to the level of, say, Haiti, but folks are going to be fighting for shade.

Fighting for Shade: New band name -- I've called it.

Some will just call camping out in those conditions natural selection at work and kids being idiots, but, still. It's kind of irresponsible. It's not unlikely that someone will die.

Wakarusa was in, what?, June?, and that was brutal. And it was by a lake. With trees.

And weed.

Zod21

I meant 10 $18 bottles of water a day.

Steve J

Just curious to any one who's been to all three days of Lolla, how many bands did you actually get to see? After you saw a band on one stage, how long does it take to get the the band on the other stages?

tim finn

you can bring anything (within reason) into the camp grounds. and there will be vendors.

tim finn

people are gonna spend all day at arrowhead for that kenney chesney show in late july.

chris

Anybody comparing Lolla's lineup to the KC event, um ok I guess you're right. The 20-year-old event (7 years in Chicago) is drawing better bands than the first time one in KC. Shocker! And now we're claiming someone is going to die? Wow. I know it can get hot here in July & August but I'm pretty sure the metro does not shut down. What a bunch of whiners.

cmoore

Steve - I've been to Lollapalooza and it's hard because most of the bands play at the same time and there is a 15 minute or so turnover to get from one stage to the other, but depending on the location of the stage, it can take up to 30 minutes with all the people walking around. I think for the economy, the price and the bands, the Kanrocksas ticket price is spot on...and local!! I'm sure water won't be that expensive and the people running it will most likely make an effort to have local vendors (if they can) and fairly priced beer, water, etc.

pellboy

Yeah, since the Kansas Speedway allows one 6-pack sized soft cooler per person into their racing events, shouldn't they at least allow that for this?

Green

What really kills your time is if you want to see someone on stage 1 and your at stage 3, first off, you have to leave early, so you miss the last couple songs at one location to get to the next location, this was the case when I was at memphis in may, of course that was 3 main stages and kanrock will only have 2 main stages so it might not be that bad but you are sure to have overlaps and coin flips as to who you will see. Wonder if they will let people return to the camping area once you have entered the concert grounds. Nice way to save a little money by eating lunch or dinner back at camp, of course thats more missed music too. Starting to wonder if festies are all that great, someone find out if we can bring flags like they do in europe, ever see those flag poles in the crowd, gotta have them at the show!

BA

Where are all the supporters of (the unpleasant conditons at) the dump?? Why not defend the conditons at KanROCKsas too?

After all, it is the permanent condition at the dump, but only for 3 days at this fest, yet you all are up in arms? How funny.

I thought all you hillbillys loved these type of "rugged" conditons.... porta potties.... dirt floors/wood chips.... outside..... under the sky.... out in the weather.... camping... etc etc, arent these the very things you love about the dump??

Come on, it sound EXACTLY like the type of thing you backwards ass hillbillies would love.

pellboy

Green, I guess the festival/camping setup will be attractive to those coming in from out of town, but how many of the older fans (like myself) from the KC area will want to utilize those services? I'm down with camping and all, but my experiences are usually in a wooded setting near a lake. If I were going to this and with my house just 20 minutes away, I'm sorry, but I'm sleeping in my own bed at night. Who am I going to miss at 3am anyway, some local band that I can catch in a bar most nights for $5? I'd probably opt for showing up in the late afternoon/early evening when I suspect the top acts will start playing and with the free parking available, I'd just do it all over again the next day, but that's just me.

Green

Yea, I was thinking the same thing, maybe one night of camping at the most depending on who is playing Saturday morning. If its a cool night camping shouldnt be to bad but come 8am the lack of shade will heat those tents up in no time, maybe it will be cool and rainy, one could hope. I am still not sold on the festie myself, need to see more bands to justify the cost. Promoters should try and cater to the crowd a little too, maybe something like a free water initiative, it would help a lot if its super hot, maybe get someone local to back it with there advertising on the bottles.

BA

LOL, two of the most vocal defenders of the dump, whining about possible outdoor weather conditions.
That is too freekin funny.

NEW

"If I were going to this and with my house just 20 minutes away, I'm sorry, but I'm sleeping in my own bed at night."

That is exactly what I did with Wakarusa, PB.

I think it's good that someone is taking the initiative on this. It's a pretty strong line up considering. Why August vs. Sept or June is beyond me. The weather was always pleasant for the three years of Wakarusa that I attended, but a parking lot/infield situation in early August? I'm envisioning a repeat of Woodstock '99. Where are people going to camp anyway? In the outdoors section of Dicks or Target?

BA

""Why August vs. Sept or June is beyond me.""

make it a trifecta......
I thought weather at concerts was never an issue with you dump lovers.

Matt

I remember reading somewhere that the weekend in August was chosen specifically to book artists already planning on going to Chicago for Lolla.

I'll have to search around to see if I can find that quote.

Green

The heat is what I was getting at, crossroad shows are at night, night shows dont have to deal with the heat. I said I was all for some rain, rain doesnt bother me, heat just sucks though, but if there is water around for people to stay cool and maybe some of the mist tents all should be well, maybe leave a few nascars out so we can drive them around with the windows down and cool off.

BA

"maybe leave a few nascars out so we can drive them around with the windows down and cool off" LOL, Hahaha, that is funny, really :)

anyway.....
I agree, heat sucks, and that is why concerts (IF POSSIBLE) should be held inside a REAL venue with HV/AC (Air Conditioning) NOT at an open air dump.

H O T is just one of many problems with the dump (just in case I have not mentioned it before).

BA

Is there a map posted anywhere yet, showing how KanROCKsas will be setup? Like where is parking/ camping/ stages etc etc? Anyone have a link?

Steve J

Getting older, I am not a big fan of outside shows, especially without a seat. You have to factor in these things, along with the ticket price, when going to shows.

BA

I could be wrong... but maybe anyone really into the kanROCKsas show should buy the VIP tickets versus regualr ticket compared to Lolla.....

Lollapalooza regular tickst are $225 and VIP tickets are $850.00 an extra $625.00
http://www.lollapalooza.com/tickets/vip-tickets/

kanROCKsas reular tickets are 179 and VIP are $359 only an extra $180.
http://kanrocksas.com/tickets

i could be wrong becasue I dont know what VIP gives you exactly, but up close and out of the MEGAcrowd is usually worth a lil extra. It is all expensive, but compared to Lolla VIP, it is a deal...... maybe...

MrMEtoo

I've done Lolla 3 times, It's a classy event. They have a suprisingly good variety of $5 food options because they let local restaurants represent various cuisine. They have numerous water fountains and all water bottles to be brought in. It takes about 20 - 30 minutes to walk from end to end but they (from my experience) cater similar sounding music on each side for the day (I remember Deerhunter > National > Arcade Fire vs Slightly Social Distoriton > AFI > Green Day as an example on main stages).

Does anyone know how late music will run? Lolla days go from Noon - 10:30 sharp. I wouldn't guarantee Kanrocksas will go late night until I see it. Cities can call curfews.

MetalHEAD

Got tix on pre-sale.

Primus/A Perfect Circle/Muse/Black Keys all locally are worth the price.

Love to camp, rock and roll.....

Muse Man

It cracks me up reading where Speedway reps said, "patrons can visit the legends shopping/restaurants" etc. And how far exactly is it to walk from the stage or camping area to say Cheeseburger in Paradise? Many, shall we say less than in shape patrons that attend these festivals, would need to take an Fn cab that far! Too pricey as well IMO especially if you only really like a few bands. I'll wait til my faves tour on their own and not pay to see the abbreviated greatest hits sets most will perform. KS is just going for the money grab here w/Lollapolooza performers. The Rivermarket shows and even Starlight have been the best shows in town for National acts.

Ted

One aspect that may allow the shows to go late late late is the noise level. The design of the track limits noise leaving the track.

The track was built in a "pit". That means they dug way down before paving out the track. One reason they did that was to allow fans in the stands to see cars no matter where they were on the track. I think another reason may have been to keep noise inside the pit.

I have been surprised, as I walked up to active racing, at how little noise was coming from the track, until you got inside. Limiting noise like that may allow them to rock all night, but I dont know for sure.

I tried to find a map, but all I found was words describing it. It said they will have 3 stages inside the tri-oval, and the party/festival area is the infield. I wonder if that means they will not even have people in the stands?

I am sure it will all work out fine, Chris Fritz knows what he is doing.

Sam

You know how I know you guys are old? Seriously, way too much whining. I bet those of you that don't go because it is too expensive will probably find some other excuse when the bands you like come around by themselves. See them while you can, you never know when you will get another chance. And are you guys that unimaginative that you can't think of a single way to stay cool when camping or should the promoters provide that for you too?

Jazz

yeah green, that kid is calling you old, you better watch out..... you used to be the youngster here ;)

Jazz

oh and sammyboy..... as far as me?
let me know when you 1/4 the way to my 1500+(andstillfkncounting) lifetime concerts..... and then maybe we can talk about what, is what, about what.

I'll still be going when you start whining about the heat.

Green

I see a lot shows Sam and I promise I will be at the smaller gigs, no excuses there, just not crazy about the festies, I feel like they are a lot of work just to enjoy some music. Add in large crowds, super high temps, over priced food and drink and it just sounds like less and less fun. Not trying to sound old or whiny, still pretty young, but I enjoy these gigs one at a time. For me, each show is a lot to take in if its good and hitting 10 to 15 acts can be overload, you start to push more for bragging rights than just enjoying a band or two on their own.

I might go, still on the fence, Eminem and Muse are not selling points at all for me. Already seen Perfect Circle a couple times, one show being front and center with Maynard damn near screaming to me, eye contact and everything, pretty intense, seen flaming lips five times, saw girl talk last year along with the black keys ... so with that its hard to justify 200 plus for a concert. Kid Cudi, Arctic Monkeys and Primus would be fun but I will need more than that to push me overboard.

Jazz

You tell em Green, besides you have free tickets coming, cuz you were first to correctly guess which venue it would be at. fk yeah!!!

Green

I wasn't trying to tell anyone off, hope it didnt come off like that. As for the free tiks, hmm, and who is gonna give me these free tickets, haha, I wish, but kinda doubtful.

NEW

"I thought weather at concerts was never an issue with you dump lovers."

I don't see anyone here in love with the dump BA. We just don't have an obsessive hatred for the place.

And I bring up Woodstock '99 for a reason. Perhaps you are too young or perhaps anything that ever happened musically outside of KS and MO is off your radar but if you do happen to recall, it was held on the tarmack of an abandoned airforce base on a hot August weekend in Upstate NY and a bottle of water was $4. The result was less than desirable (lots of fights and fans setting concession stands on fire). I'm hoping the promoters here take a cue from those events.

Green

I was thinking about that the other day NEW, it worked on paper, an old airbase with all the needs for a festival but everything went wrong, of course it didnt help with limp bizkit starting a roit by pushing the crowd to go crazy.

BA

Flea playing naked was funny as fuck.

Green

Yea, I wanna say they (chili peps) played Fire by Hendrix when the freaks started the merch on fire way in the back, then there was looting and property damage, fights, etc ... what a mess.

NEW

No kidding Green. I used to jest how it should have been dubbed "Altamont '99" vs. "Woodstock '99". That was funny though BA. Wasn't the whole band naked at one point?

Joe

I think they may have had socks on!

BA

Yup, I heard a direct interview with whats-his name-leadsinger of the Chili peppers saying they played in a smaller strip joint, years ago, and the club strippers "talked them into" into playing naked, except for thier "sock puppets"
; ).

As far as woodstock99....
I always wondered if some of that ending mess was choreographed, with the Peppers playing FIRE and it was the end of the fest and maybe insurance was involved..... I dont know, but we watched all 3 days on pay per view, and it all seemd to run pretty smooth until the end.

The only thing that bothered me about that situation was the reports/stories about some women being raped in their tents at the end, and the local police not doing much investigating..... somewhat alluding that the woman either made it up, wanted it or deserved it. That part bothers me more than the fires ,but you know, really anything that ever happened musically outside of KS and MO is off my radar ;)

anyway...... as far as the speedway doing a repeat of that, probably not.

They have so many modern, high tech, zooming security cameras located throughout the area that they could zoom in on smallest freckle, above the left nipple, of that cute drunk girl baring her titties at 5:37:23 PM on Friday evening

So I doubt any chance of Woodstock type of problems happening at the end.......

Bubba

Did I hear this correct? That a patron CANNOT purchase a one-day ticket ONLY to this two-day fedtival? If so, this lets me out - UNLESS those two days are UNSEASONABLY cool (75-84 degrees) the August heat for two days will be a bit much for me to even consider. I sort of THINK this event may 'financially bomb' anyway - with the way the economy is. SURE hope I'm wrong. Bubba said it.

Bewlay

Hey, Crossroads KC snarks: it looks like the wood chips are going bye bye. http://blogs.pitch.com/wayward/2011/04/are_the_woodchips_at_crossroad.php

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