Canceled: Gretchen Wilson

Not many fall as far and as fast as she has. In 2005-06 she was nominated for eight Grammys. She won one in 2005 for the song "Redneck Woman." Its album, "Here For the Party," went five-times platinum. That was three or four years ago. Her show Friday at Crossroads KC has been canceled. According to what I heard, based on ticket sales so far, they could have fit the crowd inside Crosstown Station, with room to spare (it's capacity is around 300).

Comments

[Joe P.]

I could of told you this last week.

Old news.

[Keep It Real]

gretchen may have heard what a shthole the Crossraods was, and said NO WAY I am subjecting my fans to that dangerous place.

Not to mention that gretchen's fans are a lil higher class than usual and they refuse to attend shows at the dump.

Even Knuckleheads made improvemnts. When will Brett Moismen reinvest some of the millions he a has made back into his shithole?

Word is spreading among talent agencies that Moismen's place is unsafe, and unsanitary.

Why would any band subject their fans to that dump, when the Uptown or many other places at least have indoor plumbing, a roof and A/C.

it is just common sense.

[Gary Dean]

Wow so what do you really think about Crossroads ?

Seemed OK for Kevin Costner and Blondie just to name a few

[Granimal]

Wilson appeared to have the talent for country music, but not the looks. Seems like few country singers get very far without the added gift of being good-looking.

[tim finn]

"Word is spreading"? I guess wilco didn't get the word. or cross-canadian ragweed. two big shows

[lookatme]

Not a country fan but I don't mind Gretchen as far as new country goes; so I was surprised. LeAnne Rimes cancelled there too...just not the venue for country maybe?

[Scott]

I like Crossroads, its a barebones venue, not sure what is dangerous, you have a stage, a yard and an old building in the back ... care to explain? I saw Ween and Black Crows there last year and all was good.

[jjskck]

Really? She's not Shania Twain, but she ain't bad either.

And how many people really have issues with Crossroads? I suspect it's just a few, because I've never personally heard a bad thing about it. Every show I've seen there has sounded good if not great, you can always find a decent sightline, and the drink lines move quickly. That's all I really need from a venue.

[Steve]

Most female solo signers who are not models face quick declines. From Macy Grace to soon Adele, among others. Sad but true.

Taylor Swift will for sure kill any womens country career for years unless they are "hot".

[lookatme]

She may not be downright hot but she's cute enough (google image her, theres even a bikini shot) certainly not bad enough to be career killing, but then again look at the major female stars of new country today; it's a modeling runway.

[pellboy]

I think this Crossroads hater is the same guy who has made the same tired attack against Mosiman and his venue on KC Confidential. We get it already, you don't like it. Most of the rest of us who have enjoyed multiple shows there think it's alright for what it is. I think in this case it was simply Gretchen Wilson's decline in popularity that had more to do with the cancellation than any safety issues or the supposed higher standards of her "elite" audience.

[Common Sense]

Until they "get it" and they fix it, I and others will keep saying it...

.....and if you get free tickets, or you get a comped ticket ( for whatever reason ) maybe you not should not critique this dump, but I am sure you will, that is what bribes are designed for.

I see Knuckleheads continues the improvemnets, and for that they are applauded.

[Bewlay]

I saw Ben Folds at Crossroads and the structure around the sound booth was obstructing our view in the back. I didn't think it was that awesome a venue: Wait in line 15 minutes for a slice of cheese pizza and find out they're out and you need to wait an additional 10 minutes. You get what you pay for, tickets weren't phenomenally expensive and venue is accordingly matched.

[Leigh M.]

Were were at Crossroads in May and thought it was a fine venue. And yes, we paid full price for our seats. To me it seemed pretty typical of most of these outdoor-for-smokers-venues that are popping up. As for the port-o-potties...anyone who goes to concerts outdoors has to deal with them at one time or another. Sounds like ticket sales were the issue here. Can't wait for the Ragweed show!

[Chubby]

Could "Keep It Real" let us know what he or she thinks is dangerous about the venue. The stage and surrounding buildings all seem to be structurally sound. It can get crowded, but I've never seen crowd surges that could crush someone. The three or four booths selling drinks seem to be clean enough from what I've seen. The exit doesn't lead out onto a main road. Have I missed anything? Is it a power line issue, or getting a splinter in your ass from sitting on the mulch? Please tell us where the danger lies in attending shows there.

[Common SENSE]

For one thing the footing is unlevel and the footing is dangerous.

The Avett Brothers had to stop the show for fear of lightning hitting all that metal surrounding the dump, and it looks like a DUMP.

THE MAIN POINT IS-
IF they charged $10-15 per show,
Then the crap venue MIGHT BE ok.

BUT they charge $30-80 per ticket, which is THE SAME PRICE as a REAL VENUE like the Uptown.

WHY WOULD ANY BAND SUBJECT THIER FANS TO THIS SHTHOLE WHEN THEY COULD PLAY A NICE VENUE LIKE THE UPTOWN OR VOODOO LOUNGE ETC??

As far out door venues starlight is fine, Sandstone is fine at least they have real bathrooms. I dont know about thskank you guys date, but my girl likes to go to the bathroom out using an out house.

This is 2009, outhouses were obsolete in 1930.

THERE ARE BETTER VENUES IN KC TO SEE A SHOW, THERE IS NO NEED FOR THIS DUMP.

[common SENSE]

I dont know about the skanks you guys date, but my girl likes to go to the bathroom WITHOUT using an outhouse.

[Scott]

Good lord, just go to the sprint center next time, sorry Crossroads didnt roll out the red carpet and add a luxury box for you and your date. Try listening to the music and having a good time. Woodstock was far from perfect but people came together and had a blast. As for the bathroom issue, go before you leave the house, unless its a drinking thing, than dont drink so much and you wouldnt need to use the bathroom, think about it, a show is what, 2 maybe 3 hours. If you decide to drink, go in the outhouse, its not that bad, 2mins of your life. As for the dangerous footing, come on, you cant complain about the ground. Do you want concrete, the sound would go to hell with that, dont get me wrong the Uptown is great, my fav but an outdoor show is a nice change. As for the complaint about the lightning, its the weather and its what you get, dont forget you get 70's clear skys too.

[LSCobra]

Keep it real, common sense, and common SENSE...the same person, you think?
That's some funny stuff! I especially like: "For one thing the footing is unlevel and the footing is dangerous." Yeah, it is...after about 10 Dos Equis.
"Not to mention that gretchen's fans are a lil higher class than usual..." I think that is the first time that statement has ever been made.
Please keep posting, you crack me up!

[Common SENSE]

Why do you love this place? what is the attraction?

[Common Sense]

...and dont advise me on what to do, and I wont advise you. I will state my opinion, OK?

Whne I pay money I expect something, who knows what you want and I dont care.

Once again, I am very impressed Knucklheads is reinvesting money. Their location leaves A LOT to be desired, but they are not greedy fkhds like Brett(I LOVE THE MUD)Moismen.

[Steve]

Everyone is upgrading, people want more bang for there concert bucks. So Common sense points are valid.

You are charging more for shows, which means the crowds will be older, and they (we) are more picky.

Promoters are finally learning what sport teams have learned years ago, spend extra money on luxuries and clubs boxes, you can charge a mint.

[Scott]

Most of the shows I have seen there have been around 30 dollars or less, I think thats a fair price, plus they do a lot of there own ticket sales so you get to skip the ticketmaster fees. I think I speak for everyone, we dont want luxuries and club boxes at these shows, it does one thing, makes the show very pricey, not to mention it brings the sit down concert goer, boring, seats suck, forget that, keep it simple, keep the prices down. Sure there are some shows that cost a little more but those are bands most of us could pass on, Blondie, come on, its 2009, who cares.

[Chubby]

Common sense, you state that "This is 2009, outhouses were obsolete in 1930" Fair enough. But shouldn't referring to other people's girlfriends as "skanks" also be obsolete?
One point you raise is that "BUT they charge $30-80 per ticket, which is THE SAME PRICE as a REAL VENUE like the Uptown". In many cities Blondie and Pat Benetar have been touring together, so let’s call them performers of equal stature and then take a look their recent, separate, shows in the KC area. I saw Blondie at the Crossroads and paid $30 to stand at the barrier at the front of the GA section. That put me about twenty feet from the stage. At the Pat Benatar show at the Uptown Theater the cheapest ticket was $45, so $30 wouldn't even get you in the building, let alone twenty feet back on the floor. A $45 ticket would get you in the balcony; to get close up you would have to have paid $65 or more, so really, your argument that the prices at the Crossroads are the same as the Uptown is completely invalid.
Also, your ascertain that “the footing is dangerous” doesn’t really hold up. Are people falling left and right? Is there a constant stream of MAST ambulances taking away the wounded throughout the show? I’ve seen a few wobbly drunks at most venues, but only occasionally do they succumb to the force of gravity.
Then of course there is the “fear of lightning hitting all that metal”. Well, lightning does have a tendency to be an outdoor phenomenon, and most stages are constructed of metal (they have to be strong to survive the endless seismic impact of people losing their footing!). If you take a look at the Starlight theater stage (a venue you describe as “fine”), you’ll see a huge metal structure rising above it. All outdoor concert and sports venues have metal in their construction. You state that, “I am very impressed Knucklheads is reinvesting money”. Well, their latest investment, constructed last week is outside and made entirely of metal I-beams, they’re almost begging for a lightning strike!!!
So, as long as the Crossroads keeps bringing in acts I want to see at a price I’m willing to pay I’ll keep frequenting the venue. That is until my skank gets hit by lightning and looses her footing, then I’m definitely out of there!!!
I admit that at this stage I've lost all interest in the original discussion and am merely trying to get you to go apocalyptic again!

[Keef]

I am with the person who doesn't like The Crossroads, as I don't really care for it much myself. I will go see artists I want to see if they show up there. But in roughly 30 years of seeing live music in KC, The Crossroads, in addition to The Beaumont Club, are probably my least favorite venues EVER in this sprawling metropolis. But I'm sure there were those that hated my beloved Parody Hall back in the 80's (hard to imagine). But again, if I want to see the band that is playing in town, I'll go and watch them in a Walmart parking lot or an abandoned warehouse, if need be.

Having said that, I can't understand Common Sense's assessment that Knuckleheads "location leaves A LOT to be desired." Now, NOW, you're just nit-picking. First off, when else would ANYONE outside of it's inhabitants visit the East Bottoms for any reason? I don't leave too far away from there and if you've ever been to a show at Knuckleheads, you know that the hovering cliffs and busy rail yards makes the atmosphere down there about as unique and authentic experience for live music as you'll find anywhere in this town. I can't imagine THAT place presiding anywhere else and it is currently my favorite spot for music in KC. To each his own and all.......

[Chubby]

Hey Keef, did you catch Amy LaVere there over the weekend? She was so pumped by the atmosphere of the place. When there was a train going by on one side and a couple of departing motorbikes revving up on the other, she described the venue as "Heaven"

[Keef]

...........Concerning the Knuckleheads locaton, meant to say, "Live" too far away from there (where's that 'edit' button??). As for Gretchen Wilson, it's too bad that her star has fallen so far. She has been lumped into that whole "Nashville Mafia" clique which includes Big & Rich, and for some odd reason, Kid Rock. They have tried to come off as these rebellious, musical renegades, while trying to sell tons of records, which to me, just contradicts itself. Gretchen tried to come off as this Country Music "outsider," yet her music was/is as slick as her contemporaries.

These days especially, the world of music is a fickle place and it is a bit sad to see artists take such a swan dive, career-wise, regardless of whether I like them or not. Quick case in point-Peter Frampton. In 1978, he headlined a packed Arrowhead Stadium show. Then he starred in that god-awful "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" movie and his career tanked. I saw him only three years after that Arrowhead show in 1981 at The Uptown in front of a half-full house of around 750 people. So HE went, in just under three years, from playing to 75,000 people to merely 750 people, and I do recall that his heart just wasn't in the show I saw that night........

[Keef]

Sorry, Chubby. Your post came out as I was writing my last diatribe. I DID see Amy at Knuckleheads this past Satutday and every time the train roared by, she would get such a huge smile on her face......I met her after the show an got my CD autographed and I don't have to tell you how LOVELY she was! Lordy!

[UnCommonSinse]

Blondie was $80.00 at the dump and Dylan, er TheWallflowers were $20.00 at the VooDoo lounge, and you could be 7 feet from them.... If you wanna compare prices/groups do a wider survey.

sigh, It is beyond me why you love a craphole, when a place like the VooDoo lounge is awesome.

Do you realize that while all you yabber in delight os sht, The dumpmaster Moisment is delighed? He loves your praise, now he wont have to put a penny back into his dump, which will make you all very happy. It makes no sense to me, but oh well.

As far skanks? no offense meant, I have nothing against them. Skanky hos can be a lot of fun and I have had my share, but like a dirt floor ..... ah anyway .... to each his own.

If you wanna support "THE MAN", feel free.

If you want to bow down to "THE MAN" who is making tons of money, while he is sticking it you by not reinvesting, feel free.

[Scott]

Why pick on Crossroads when you have Sprint Center / AIG / Ticketmaster up the road charging double or triple for tickets with 10 to 20 dollar fees and charges. I also wonder how much money is being made, I dont think he is pulling in millions.

[sinsemilla]

dude, I am zorro, the man with the ever changing ... I have a style, if you watch.

anyway... I lay tickbastard to waste at EVERY opportunity, and AIG is Cheny like. ouch was that too harsh?

I am here to make it all better and if that includes sticking it to the man,so be it ,,,BUT ... I make sure to ying/yang it, by passing out compliments as derserved, it is not all bashing....

for instances, this young man Tim Finn, he is the greatest, even if he does .... no, lets leave it at Tim Finn is the greatest. period.

[Sativa]

actually should be
AEG is Cheney like....

even though AIG is too ; )

[Bewlay]

Frampton played Arrowhead? Any others play I might not expect? I know Floyd did. I'm new to the area.

[Chubby]

Paul McCartney, The Who, Guns N' Roses, Van Halen and The Stones have all played at Arrowhead since I moved here in 1986. Also the Jackson 5 and a bunch of 70's summer jams before my time.

[bob]

"Frampton played Arrowhead? Any others play I might not expect? I know Floyd did. I'm new to the area. "

Billy Graham

[Glory A]

The Rolling Stones
played the hallowed grounds of MIGHTY ARROWHEAD, and so did my QuarterBack Joe Montana, but not at the same time.

[NEW]

"Blondie was $80.00 at the dump and Dylan, er TheWallflowers were $20.00 at the VooDoo lounge, and you could be 7 feet from them.... If you wanna compare prices/groups do a wider survey."

Perhaps you should do the same. We addressed this during your previous anti-Crossroads rant when you posted under some other pseudonym (what's up with that, anyway?). Unless you were dumb enough to purchase VIP tickets, Blondie tickets were $31.50 for GA which would be the proper comparison to the $20 GA tickets for the Wallflowers. Factor in the cheaper drink prices at the Crossroads and you are probably coming out about even.

Personally, I like the sightlines and the sound at Voodoo but the place is just so damn cheezy, not to mention the all the rules, regs, and the TSA type security you need to deal with to get in the place. I flew into Tel Aviv once and dealt with less security than I've dealt with at Voodoo.

[Al ert]

What are you carrying around that makes you so afraid of security? Maybe there is more to worry about this place, other than just being a dump.

[Keef]

Funny that Bob mentions Billy Graham at Arrowhead. In 1976, I saw Billy Graham there at a crusade and Johnny Cash was the special guest (he was dabbling in gospel music at the time). As for Frampton, he was filling Stadiums for a couple of years after "Frampton Comes Alive" came out.

[No I dont feel like you do, never did.]

The cool thing about Frampton is he is still making music and playing live. He had HUGE early MEGAsuccess(with that horrible live album) and then never saw succcess like that again, but he is still at it, heck he is playing Cleveland this weekend.

fyi-
I am not, and NEVER was a fan of his. I still change the station when his songs come on, but I will give him the respect he deserves for never stopping, good for him. There is a lesson there for all of us, find something you love to do, and never stop, even when you get enough.

hmmmm...I guess part of my dislike is jealous. Every chick back then JUST LOVED HIM SO MUCH, ugh ... at least I admit it, and pay him tibute to this day.

maybe I am Framptonphobic.

[NEW]

What are you carrying around that makes you so afraid of security?

That's not the point. Having to deal with a 20 minute security line and having to empty my pockets and have some wannabe thug wand me is more the issue. I don't see Knuckleheads, Crossroads or the Uptown going to such extremes. Let me ask you this: What makes a cheezy tacky place like Voodoo Lounge so special that they feel it's their right to subject you to such searches when other venues let it slide?

[Chubby]

Eddie Money played Arrowhead!!!! Well, actually he sang the Star Spangled Banner before a Chiefs game about three years ago. He was terrible! And it rained! And the Chiefs lost! But on the bright side no-one was struck by lightning and the only people to lose their footing were on the field.

Isn't it just the last year or so that the Voodoo has started their aggressive security measures? I don't think they were wanding people two or three years ago.

[Joe P.]

It great that folks on here are sticking up for Crossroads KC, but it's really not needed. It's the best place in K.C. to see an outdoor show and every performer/band loves the place. That's why you see them coming back every year. It's easy in, easy out with nary a bad sight line. The bands get great lighting and sound and the fans get cheap tickets and great food and beer. You can relax and watch the show in the back at the picnic tables or move up front and be 10 feet from the performers. It's also locally owned.

That being said...

The guy who can't remember his name is just another troll with a personal problem. You don't like Brett, that's great, but no one gives a rat's ass. Stay home and cry in your Miller Lite.

[NEW]

I'm not sure Chubby. I first noticed the over the top security at Govt Mule in November. At that point, it had been awhile since I was last there so I am not sure when it started. It took about 30 minutes to get in. I was last there for Lucinda in June and the line wasn't as bad but it wasn't very crowded either. We did however almost get thrown out for appearing to sell an extra ticket so a word of warning there. If you have an extra ticket that you need to get rid of, do not try to sell it on the premise because there's a good chance you'll get pinched. Not sure what the logic is there. I can understand scalping but the show was not sold out and the guy was selling tickets below face value. Further proves my point that it's a pretty uptight place.

[JJ]

THE MORE VENUES THE BETTER. THE UPTOWN THEATRE WILL ALWAYS BE ONE OF MY FAVORITES. CROSSROADS IS KIND OF BASIC BUT I LIKE IT TOO. THERE'S ALWAYS A GOOD RELAXED VIBE THERE. THE VOODOO IS A LITTLE CHEESY BUT THE SOUND IN THAT ROOM IS EXCELLENT. KNUCKLEHEADS IS A TREASURE. LOVE STARLIGHT. SPRINT ...WELL IT'S A SPORTS ARENA AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE FOR THE BIGGER ACTS TO PLAY. I ALWAYS HAVE A GOOD TIME AT THOSE SHOWS TOO. THE ONLY VENUE IN TOWN THAT I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT IS THE BEAUMONT CLUB. SOUND AND SIGHT LINES ARE NOT VERY GOOD. BUT I STILL GO THERE ONCE IN AWHILE TOO. I'M JUST GLAD WE HAVE AS MANY CHOICES AS WE DO.

[Nivek9]

This thread is hilarious. Who the hell is Gretchen Wilson anyway (rhetorical... I have actually heard her I'm embarrassed to say). Insults, Frampton, Summer Jams... wow.... good times... good times...

I've seen many shows at almost every venue in town. Crossroads is okay for what it does. I wouldn't want to see an evening with Wynton Marsalis there but Jonny Lang rocked the house. Every venue has its pluses and minuses. I'm not gonna get behind or against any of them. They do what they do. To me it's about the music above all. Sounds like someone has a personal issue with an individual venue operator to me. Trust me, they're all in it to make money, especially casinos.

[musicfan]

An insignificant post about a cancelled concert that apparently nobody wanted to go to anyway and there are 46 comments? Who'da thunk it?

[Whatagain]

Joe Pussy, you are pathetic. You alway are throw the troll word around whenever anyone says an opposing view as yours, or your boss.

It is a blog, these are opinions, catch a fkn clue you goofball. No reason to get personal, BUT we can that.

Joe Pussy, when you are paid to post on blogs to blindly do your boss's bidding it is you who are the fkn loser, go fk yourself douchebag.

[Joe P.]

You're a twit.

I don't work for Brett or Mike or Stretch or anyone connected to the place, you little crybaby troll.

It's not the opposing viewpoint, because you have no viewpoint.

When someone points out that you're a troll you immediately assume that it must be someone working for Brett, Pipeline or Crossroads KC because who else would disagree with you. 100% of everybody else on here disagree.

Let's see...

You can't spell.
You can't put together a coherent sentence.
Grammar, what's that?
Personal attacks.
Drug and Alcohol problem.

Looks like you're an imbecile.

Have a great day.

[Bayside Butcher]

I agree Nivek9, the more places the better. This means more and more acts come to town. If it's at a venue you don't like, you don't have to go. MORE TICKETS AVAILABLE!!! There are plus and minuses for every place:
Voodoo: bartenders more interested in spinning bottles than getting drinks. i have waited a long time for a brew. I will go back, though, the acts they bring in are good.
Uptown: Sound is incredible. The setting is nice and they are working to improve the bar service.
Beaumont: Inside, not too bad. We saw Gomez there this summer and stood in the back. Great sound. Outside: Cool place, but they weren't prepared for bar service. Hopefully it will improve.
Sprint Center: Again, you have to have a place for big acts to play. It's OK, but I would have to REALLY want to go.
Crossroads: It is what it is. A parking lot, but it gets good acts and the reviews (from friends) are always good.
Security doesn't bother me anymore, I am no longer smuggling a joint to smoke.
The more the merrier is what I say.